Talk:Volume - Revision history

Joedobo at 06:46, 17 April 2011

2011-04-17T06:46:50Z

Arcas: /* Thanks for the input */

2011-04-16T22:26:21Z

Thanks for the input

Ago at 19:36, 16 April 2011

2011-04-16T19:36:20Z

Arcas: /* Thanks for the input */ new section

2011-04-16T17:40:03Z

Thanks for the input: new section

Joedobo: general comments

2011-04-16T04:18:10Z

general comments

New page

Does Liter look better then cubic decimeter? I thought Liter was purely a liquid measurement, but Wikipedia corrected me. I'm not sure how many others this will get confused when measuring solid objects with L.

(weight per volume, kg/L) is only useful with dealing with dragging containers and even then its not that useful. Why, the character's inventory volume is unlimited. Weight you can put in a container not in inventory is also unlimited. This measurement is true but its not useful, and because of its utility it should be towards the bottom of the page. It wouldn't hurt if it started with warning about the utility of the information. We should not waste peoples time with information that is almost useless.

All containers, including bulk storage bins, are limited by the container's available volume. As an example, when dealing with a bulk storage bin, you divided the bin's 16,000 L with an items L. Further, 2,000 cotton fits in a bulk storage bin (16,000 L / 8 L-per-cotton).

Here is another explanation.
Volume is a measurement of how much space an item occupies and is measured by Litre. Volume is a hidden measurement that isn't displayed in game. As you can see from the chart below, different items consume different amounts of volume. All containers are ridged and whether they are empty, consume their max storage volume when placed inside another container. We are usually answering the question, "how much of this container's space will this item consume; and consequently, how many of that item fit in the container". To calculate this relationship, dived the container's available L space by an item's L. Remember all but bulk storage containers are limited to 100 items in that specific container, but you can stack containers inside of another container to get more inside. An example would be corn in jars in a small barrel. Here a small barrel will hold 2,227 corn ((22 jars x 100 corn) + (.5 L / .018 L-per-corn)instead of the 100 corn that would fit without the jars.

Also, there is a chart on the bulk storage bin page, is the format not acceptable or something?

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 While density is kind of an advanced concept, I think it's important, as it helps players make better use of bulk bins and other containers.  I think it's useful info!  But not a high priority for newbies to learn, so your idea of a notice/warning to that effect is good.
 The use of division in your example over-complicates things, and assumes that the container only carries one kind of item.  The 100 item limit on non-bulk-bins is not relevant to this article except for example item limits in a table like those in the article [[container]].
 Yes, I know there's already a table in [[bulk storage bin]], I'm the one who added the weight and weight/volume columns.  There is also the useful table in [[container]].  I'd still like to see a unified table by item with all possible items, maybe with an additional column for what bulk/other-size containers they fit into.  So maybe this page is bad place for that, and that would be a separate project.
 [[User:Arcas|Arcas]] 17:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

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		+	::That would be cool, indeed, but an even greater undertaking, I think. Let me see about trying the table of items article, first, but ultimately it would be good to have the info in both places. [[User:Arcas\|Arcas]] 22:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

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	Also, there is a chart on the bulk storage bin page, is the format not acceptable or something?		Also, there is a chart on the bulk storage bin page, is the format not acceptable or something?
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		+	== Thanks for the input ==
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		+	I used liter because it was my starting point in my research, and because L is easier than cubic decimeter or dm^3. There is no in-game mention of units for volume, so it's kind of up to us to decide how to call it. You do have a point about its being confusing with solid objects, perhaps a sentence to clarify that it can also apply to solids would help. I still prefer liters because they are simpler once you get over that hump.
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		+	While density is kind of an advanced concept, I think it's important, as it helps players make better use of bulk bins and other containers. I think it's useful info! But not a high priority for newbies to learn, so your idea of a notice/warning to that effect is good.
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		+	The use of division in your example over-complicates things, and assumes that the container only carries one kind of item. The 100 item limit on non-bulk-bins is not relevant to this article except for example item limits in a table like those in the article [[container]].
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		+	Yes, I know there's already a table in [[bulk storage bin]], I'm the one who added the weight and weight/volume columns. There is also the useful table in [[container]]. I'd still like to see a unified table by item with all possible items, maybe with an additional column for what bulk/other-size containers they fit into. So maybe this page is bad place for that, and that would be a separate project.
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		+	[[User:Arcas\|Arcas]] 17:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)