Talk:Volume

Does Liter look better then cubic decimeter? I thought Liter was purely a liquid measurement, but Wikipedia corrected me. I'm not sure how many others this will get confused when measuring solid objects with L.

(weight per volume, kg/L) is only useful with dealing with dragging containers and even then its not that useful. Why, the character's inventory volume is unlimited. Weight you can put in a container not in inventory is also unlimited. This measurement is true but its not useful, and because of its utility it should be towards the bottom of the page. It wouldn't hurt if it started with warning about the utility of the information. We should not waste peoples time with information that is almost useless.

All containers, including bulk storage bins, are limited by the container's available volume. As an example, when dealing with a bulk storage bin, you divided the bin's 16,000 L with an items L. Further, 2,000 cotton fits in a bulk storage bin (16,000 L / 8 L-per-cotton).

Here is another explanation. Volume is a measurement of how much space an item occupies and is measured by Litre. Volume is a hidden measurement that isn't displayed in game. As you can see from the chart below, different items consume different amounts of volume. All containers are ridged and whether they are empty, consume their max storage volume when placed inside another container. We are usually answering the question, "how much of this container's space will this item consume; and consequently, how many of that item fit in the container". To calculate this relationship, dived the container's available L space by an item's L. Remember all but bulk storage containers are limited to 100 items in that specific container, but you can stack containers inside of another container to get more inside. An example would be corn in jars in a small barrel. Here a small barrel will hold 2,227 corn ((22 jars x 100 corn) + (.5 L / .018 L-per-corn)instead of the 100 corn that would fit without the jars.

Also, there is a chart on the bulk storage bin page, is the format not acceptable or something?

Thanks for the input

I used liter because it was my starting point in my research, and because L is easier than cubic decimeter or dm^3. There is no in-game mention of units for volume, so it's kind of up to us to decide how to call it. You do have a point about its being confusing with solid objects, perhaps a sentence to clarify that it can also apply to solids would help. I still prefer liters because they are simpler once you get over that hump.

While density is kind of an advanced concept, I think it's important, as it helps players make better use of bulk bins and other containers. I think it's useful info! But not a high priority for newbies to learn, so your idea of a notice/warning to that effect is good.

1) Density has no effect on bulk storage bins. The only measurement that matters for that is Volume L. 2) It has no effect on how much stuff fits in any container. I think your confusing an indirect relation ship and assuming that it explains limits. Volume limits what can be stored in containers, and weight limits what we can drag, pick up, and carry. Joedobo 06:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

The use of division in your example over-complicates things, and assumes that the container only carries one kind of item. The 100 item limit on non-bulk-bins is not relevant to this article except for example item limits in a table like those in the article container.

1) The example shows how a container's volume is consumed by objects. It might be complicated but its not an incorrect assumption. 2) the 100 item limit is important to mention because users will think they can put 1,000 corn in a Small barrel, it has the capacity to hold that many.Joedobo 06:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I know there's already a table in bulk storage bin, I'm the one who added the weight and weight/volume columns. There is also the useful table in container. I'd still like to see a unified table by item with all possible items, maybe with an additional column for what bulk/other-size containers they fit into. So maybe this page is bad place for that, and that would be a separate project.

and I finished adding many of those measurements on the bsb table that where ?'s. A unified table would be nice. I wish wiki tables weren't so big and scary looking.Joedobo 06:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Arcas 17:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to see the volume (and possibly other information like the get price factor) added to the item template. --Ago 19:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

That would be cool, indeed, but an even greater undertaking, I think. Let me see about trying the table of items article, first, but ultimately it would be good to have the info in both places. Arcas 22:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)